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#1 16/05/2013 13:52:06

bzh
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[OVH] Délai de chargement des pages

#~~~~~ DEBUT BLOC A NE PAS SUPPRIMER ~~~~~
#~ Version du CMS: 1.11.6
#~ Url du site : http://www.malik-bretagne.com/
#~ Hébergeur / Soft : OVH
#~ Informations Système :
#~~~~~ FIN BLOC A NE PAS SUPPRIMER ~~~~~


Bonjour

Mes sites hébergées sur OVH en mutuualisé font apparaître un temps de chargement de page très lent > 4s
Par ailleurs sur un site, j'ai perdu la moitié de mon trafic via google et mon référencement a complètement chuté sur des mots clés concurrentiel. Je ne sais pas si la lenteur du serveur a une influence sur le référencement ?
Je me pose la question d'un changement d'hébergement.
Merci de vos avis sur ce problème.

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#2 16/05/2013 14:20:50

bess
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Re : [OVH] Délai de chargement des pages

la lenteur a effectivement un effet sur le référencement, mais je ne connais pas l'importance de ce critère dans l'algo de google.

ton site est effectivement très lent. Je sais qu'OVH a quelques soucis dernièrement mais ce serait facile de l'incriminer directement sans chercher plus loin...

la timeline de gtmetrix sur ton site montre deux choses :
* lenteur à la génération du site : active le debug de cmsms (config.php, + d'info) et regarde si dans les traces générées on trouve un passage qui coince. copie nous ces traces si possible
* lenteur à la récupération d'image plus lourde.. mais elles font moins de 150ko, c'est inconcevable que cela prenne 3s pour ces images donc pour moi il y a déjà un ticket à ouvrir chez OVH sur ce point !

http://gtmetrix.com/reports/www.malik-b … m/1QTp3y3E

donc mon avis : ticket OVH pour les images longues à s'afficher, continue d'investiguer avec le debug de ton côté, mais il est fort à parier que tu sois victime d'une modification sur leur serveur qui te pénalise, peut être un lien avec les modifications que j'ai déjà évoqué sur ce sujet

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#3 16/05/2013 19:33:48

pierrepercee
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Re : [OVH] Délai de chargement des pages

Bonjour Bess,

C'est hélas vraiment problématique dans la mesure ou les bots n'aiment pas attendre...d'où retard d'indexation, baisse de trafic et ...manque à gagner évident.
J'ai des sites de clients hébergés sur du mutualisé OVH (90 plan ovh et offre business) et je me pose clairement la question du déménagement... Sur le forum des hébergements mutualisés OVH, de nombreux clients expriment leur mécontentement. Une offre mutualisée réservée aux différents CMS devrait voir le jour assez rapidement. La situation perdure maintenant depuis quelques mois et de nombreux clients s'impatientent devant cet état de fait sans que l'hébergeur OVH ne propose de réponse vraiment adaptée.
Payer 7 euros ou 15 euros par mois, même pour une petite PME, ce n'est pas le problème, ils ont simplement besoin d'un service d'hébergement adapté fiable et rapide.
Le passage sur du dédié n'est pas une réponse satisfaisante pour ces structures (Webmaster c'est déjà plusieurs métiers mais la gestion de serveur c'est clairement une autre voie...).
Mettre en place une solution d'hébergement mutualisée performante à 10/15 euros par mois, cela doit quand même être à la portée d'une structure comme OVH.
Pour l'heure, je fais comme tout le monde je prospecte en me disant qu'ils vont peut être régler le problème (après tout c'est leur intérêt s'ils ne veulent pas perdre trop de clients) mais à trop tirer sur la corde... hmm


Win 7 pro 64 - CMSMS 1.6.4 à 2.1.2

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#4 16/05/2013 23:22:46

bzh
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Re : [OVH] Délai de chargement des pages

Merci pour ta réponse Bess (on est voisins... bienvenue à Rennes wink)

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           ON cms_module_cgcalendar_events.event_id = cms_module_cgcalendar_events_to_categories.event_id
        INNER JOIN cms_module_cgcalendar_categories
           ON cms_module_cgcalendar_events_to_categories.category_id = cms_module_cgcalendar_categories.category_id WHERE (cms_module_cgcalendar_events.event_date_start >= '2013-05-16 20:29:07' OR
                 (cms_module_cgcalendar_events.event_date_end >= '2013-05-16 20:29:07' AND 
                  COALESCE(cms_module_cgcalendar_events.event_date_end,'0000-00-00 00:00:00') != '0000-00-00 00:00:00')) AND ((cms_module_cgcalendar_categories.category_name LIKE 'homepage')) ORDER BY cms_module_cgcalendar_events.event_date_start ASC LIMIT 0, 3
Debug: (2.196666) - (usage: 12770616) - (peak: 12800076) 
Loading /homez.301/malikbre/www/lib/classes/class.useroperations.inc.php = 76752 bytes for an approximate total of 6653972
Debug: (2.208763) - (usage: 12770484) - (peak: 12824992) 
(mysql): SELECT user_id, username, password, first_name, last_name, email, active, admin_access FROM cms_users ORDER BY username
Debug: (2.220393) - (usage: 12777360) - (peak: 12922664) 
(mysql): SELECT field_name,field_value
          FROM cms_module_cgcalendar_event_field_values
          WHERE event_id = '58'
Debug: (2.224391) - (usage: 12782316) - (peak: 12922664) 
(mysql): SELECT category_name 
          FROM cms_module_cgcalendar_events_to_categories
          INNER JOIN cms_module_cgcalendar_categories
          ON  cms_module_cgcalendar_events_to_categories.category_id = cms_module_cgcalendar_categories.category_id
          WHERE event_id = '58'
Debug: (2.236474) - (usage: 12786280) - (peak: 12951516) 
(mysql): SELECT field_name,field_value
          FROM cms_module_cgcalendar_event_field_values
          WHERE event_id = '19'
Debug: (2.240711) - (usage: 12788116) - (peak: 12951516) 
(mysql): SELECT category_name 
          FROM cms_module_cgcalendar_events_to_categories
          INNER JOIN cms_module_cgcalendar_categories
          ON  cms_module_cgcalendar_events_to_categories.category_id = cms_module_cgcalendar_categories.category_id
          WHERE event_id = '19'
Debug: (2.249794) - (usage: 12788116) - (peak: 12957264) 
(mysql): SELECT field_name,field_value
          FROM cms_module_cgcalendar_event_field_values
          WHERE event_id = '25'
Debug: (2.252542) - (usage: 12789928) - (peak: 12957264) 
(mysql): SELECT category_name 
          FROM cms_module_cgcalendar_events_to_categories
          INNER JOIN cms_module_cgcalendar_categories
          ON  cms_module_cgcalendar_events_to_categories.category_id = cms_module_cgcalendar_categories.category_id
          WHERE event_id = '25'
Debug: (2.314093) - (usage: 12976756) - (peak: 13052112) 
(mysql): SELECT * from cms_module_templates WHERE module_name = 'CGCalendar' and template_name = 'upcominglist_avenir' LIMIT  1
Debug: (2.354433) - (usage: 12796328) - (peak: 13154840) 
(mysql): SELECT * from cms_module_templates WHERE module_name = 'MleCMS' and template_name = 'block_bandeau_press'
Debug: (2.362862) - (usage: 12796968) - (peak: 13154840) 
(mysql): SELECT * from cms_module_templates WHERE module_name = 'MleCMS' and template_name = 'block_footer'
Debug: (2.37367) - (usage: 12973932) - (peak: 13154840) 
start global_content_get_template
Debug: (2.383962) - (usage: 13065212) - (peak: 13154840) 
Loading /homez.301/malikbre/www/lib/classes/class.globalcontentoperations.inc.php = 89968 bytes for an approximate total of 6743940
Debug: (2.385895) - (usage: 13068208) - (peak: 13154840) 
(mysql): SELECT htmlblob_id, htmlblob_name, html, owner, use_wysiwyg, description, modified_date FROM cms_htmlblobs WHERE htmlblob_name = 'facebook' LIMIT  1
Debug: (2.386064) - (usage: 13067184) - (peak: 13154840) 
end global_content_get_template
Debug: (2.386131) - (usage: 13067240) - (peak: 13154840) 
start global_content_get_timestamp
Debug: (2.3862) - (usage: 13067636) - (peak: 13154840) 
end global_content_get_timestamp
Debug: (2.405516) - (usage: 12955072) - (peak: 13195488) 
(mysql): SELECT form_id from cms_module_fb_form WHERE alias = 'contactFooterfr'
Debug: (2.407253) - (usage: 12958060) - (peak: 13195488) 
(mysql): SELECT * FROM cms_module_fb_form WHERE form_id='4'
Debug: (2.412851) - (usage: 12960060) - (peak: 13195488) 
(mysql): SELECT name,value FROM cms_module_fb_form_attr WHERE form_id='4'
Debug: (2.415045) - (usage: 12966772) - (peak: 13195488) 
(mysql): SELECT * FROM cms_module_fb_field WHERE form_id='4' and type='DispositionFormBrowser'
Debug: (2.426628) - (usage: 12966768) - (peak: 13195488) 
(mysql): SELECT * FROM cms_module_fb_field WHERE form_id='4' ORDER BY order_by
Debug: (2.434507) - (usage: 13012840) - (peak: 13195488) 
(mysql): SELECT type FROM cms_module_fb_field WHERE field_id='29'
Debug: (2.4573) - (usage: 13182548) - (peak: 13646660) 
(mysql): SELECT * FROM cms_module_fb_field WHERE field_id='29' LIMIT  1
Debug: (2.459466) - (usage: 13183600) - (peak: 13646660) 
(mysql): SELECT name, value FROM cms_module_fb_field_opt WHERE field_id='29' ORDER BY option_id
Debug: (2.469752) - (usage: 13224608) - (peak: 13646660) 
(mysql): SELECT type FROM cms_module_fb_field WHERE field_id='30'
Debug: (2.474252) - (usage: 13229992) - (peak: 13646660) 
(mysql): SELECT * FROM cms_module_fb_field WHERE field_id='30' LIMIT  1
Debug: (2.476042) - (usage: 13231040) - (peak: 13646660) 
(mysql): SELECT name, value FROM cms_module_fb_field_opt WHERE field_id='30' ORDER BY option_id
Debug: (2.485037) - (usage: 13277316) - (peak: 13646660) 
(mysql): SELECT type FROM cms_module_fb_field WHERE field_id='31'
Debug: (2.488527) - (usage: 13282840) - (peak: 13646660) 
(mysql): SELECT * FROM cms_module_fb_field WHERE field_id='31' LIMIT  1
Debug: (2.490621) - (usage: 13283880) - (peak: 13646660) 
(mysql): SELECT name, value FROM cms_module_fb_field_opt WHERE field_id='31' ORDER BY option_id
Debug: (2.497617) - (usage: 13347756) - (peak: 13646660) 
(mysql): SELECT type FROM cms_module_fb_field WHERE field_id='32'
Debug: (2.503554) - (usage: 13353340) - (peak: 13646660) 
(mysql): SELECT * FROM cms_module_fb_field WHERE field_id='32' LIMIT  1
Debug: (2.507099) - (usage: 13354404) - (peak: 13646660) 
(mysql): SELECT name, value FROM cms_module_fb_field_opt WHERE field_id='32' ORDER BY option_id
Debug: (2.515117) - (usage: 13389112) - (peak: 13646660) 
(mysql): SELECT type FROM cms_module_fb_field WHERE field_id='33'
Debug: (2.517692) - (usage: 13394484) - (peak: 13646660) 
(mysql): SELECT * FROM cms_module_fb_field WHERE field_id='33' LIMIT  1
Debug: (2.520527) - (usage: 13395520) - (peak: 13646660) 
(mysql): SELECT name, value FROM cms_module_fb_field_opt WHERE field_id='33' ORDER BY option_id
Debug: (2.533645) - (usage: 13568600) - (peak: 13646660) 
(mysql): SELECT type FROM cms_module_fb_field WHERE field_id='34'
Debug: (2.538618) - (usage: 13574052) - (peak: 13664780) 
(mysql): SELECT * FROM cms_module_fb_field WHERE field_id='34' LIMIT  1
Debug: (2.543466) - (usage: 13575092) - (peak: 13678992) 
(mysql): SELECT name, value FROM cms_module_fb_field_opt WHERE field_id='34' ORDER BY option_id
Debug: (2.552262) - (usage: 13609064) - (peak: 13685324) 
Loading /homez.301/malikbre/www/lib/classes/class.usertagoperations.inc.php = 41628 bytes for an approximate total of 6785568
Debug: (2.553919) - (usage: 13610548) - (peak: 13711208) 
(mysql): SELECT * FROM cms_userplugins ORDER BY userplugin_name
Debug: (2.564157) - (usage: 13752252) - (peak: 13812876) 
(mysql): SELECT * from cms_module_templates WHERE module_name = 'FormBuilder' and template_name = 'fb_4' LIMIT  1
Debug: (2.614871) - (usage: 13423700) - (peak: 13992720) 
(mysql): SELECT * from cms_module_templates WHERE module_name = 'MleCMS' and template_name = 'block_keywords_home'
Debug: (2.616833) - (usage: 13416100) - (peak: 13992720) 
start global_content_get_template
Debug: (2.618326) - (usage: 13419992) - (peak: 13992720) 
(mysql): SELECT htmlblob_id, htmlblob_name, html, owner, use_wysiwyg, description, modified_date FROM cms_htmlblobs WHERE htmlblob_name = 'GAasynchrone' LIMIT  1
Debug: (2.618489) - (usage: 13418956) - (peak: 13992720) 
end global_content_get_template
Debug: (2.618555) - (usage: 13419012) - (peak: 13992720) 
start global_content_get_timestamp
Debug: (2.618624) - (usage: 13419412) - (peak: 13992720) 
end global_content_get_timestamp
Debug: (2.653798) - (usage: 13422088) - (peak: 13992720) 
Session found.  Moving on...
Debug: (2.657462) - (usage: 13422232) - (peak: 13992720) 
Session found.  Moving on...
Debug: (2.661511) - (usage: 13427712) - (peak: 13992720) 
(mysql): SELECT DISTINCT A.css_id,A.css_name,A.css_text,A.modified_date,
                                 A.media_type,B.assoc_order
                     FROM cms_css A 
                    LEFT JOIN cms_css_assoc B ON A.css_id = B.assoc_css_id WHERE B.assoc_type = 'template'
    AND B.assoc_to_id = '35' ORDER BY B.assoc_order
Debug: (2.686316) - (usage: 13576768) - (peak: 13992720) 
(mysql): SELECT id FROM cms_module_cgfeedmaker_categories WHERE name in ('BandB Malik Rss feeds')
Debug: (2.688808) - (usage: 13577868) - (peak: 13992720) 
(mysql): SELECT DISTINCT name,title 
            FROM cms_module_cgfeedmaker A 
            LEFT OUTER JOIN cms_module_cgfeedmaker_feed_categories B
            ON A.id = B.feed_id
            WHERE B.category_id IN (2)
Debug: (2.68936) - (usage: 13418720) - (peak: 13992720) 
calling module TinyMCE from event ContentPostRender
Debug: (2.694071) - (usage: 13419656) - (peak: 13992720) 
calling module Showtime from event ContentPostRender
Debug: (2.694214) - (usage: 13419876) - (peak: 13992720) 
calling module CGExtensions from event ContentPostRender
Debug: (2.703635) - (usage: 13433832) - (peak: 13992720) 
Loading /homez.301/malikbre/www/modules/CGExtensions/lib/class.cge_headers.php = 7500 bytes for an approximate total of 6793068
Debug: (2.703725) - (usage: 13428148) - (peak: 13992720) 
calling module MleCMS from event ContentPostRender
Debug: (2.703899) - (usage: 13429436) - (peak: 13992720) 
Nothing is known about ScriptDeploy... cant load it
Debug: (2.703974) - (usage: 13428724) - (peak: 13992720) 
calling module Gallery from event ContentPostRender

Voilà le résultat du debug
A priori pas de souci du côté de CMSMS : le problème vient d'OVH.

Il y a en effet beaucoup de personnes en attente de réponse et non de bricolage comme actuellement sur les hébergements mutualisés et plus spécifiquement sur les CMS

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#5 17/05/2013 09:56:25

bess
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Re : [OVH] Délai de chargement des pages

bon, puis-je vous inviter tous les deux à tester le mutu gratuit (ou payant 1€ / mois) de FirstHeberg ? histoire de comparer la vélocité de l'un et de l'autre (attention, c'est encore du php 5.2 qu'ils ont, le mutu 5.3 est en phase de béta privée)

@bzh : t'es sur Rennes aussi ? faudrait boire un coup pour fêter cela big_smile

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#6 21/05/2013 00:25:04

bzh
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Re : [OVH] Délai de chargement des pages

J'ai suivi ton conseil, j'ai ouvert un compte sur FirstHeberg pour tester le mutu gratuit.
Je vous fais un retour dès l'installation sur le serveur.

Ok pour boire un coup ! on se contacte par mp smile je ne peux pas envoyer de message car jeune padawan !

Dernière modification par bzh (21/05/2013 00:27:44)

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#7 05/06/2013 20:27:20

bzh
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Re : [OVH] Délai de chargement des pages

Un peu de news !
J'ai ouvert un compte FirstHeberg pour tester mon site en mutu gratuit mais je suis bloqué par la version de php (5.2.13-pl1-gentoo) utilisée car le site est multilingue (MLE) et nécessite une version 5.3
J'ai la chance d'être sur un serveur où le passage en 5.3 est possible donc j'attends la réponse du support.
To be continued...  wink

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#8 07/10/2013 13:05:36

bess
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#9 02/01/2015 21:22:16

2manyseo
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Re : [OVH] Délai de chargement des pages

Bonsoir, la vitesse de chargement d'un site  a une incidence très faible sur le positionnement dans Google, si vous avez perdu la moitié de votre trafic, il faut chercher ailleurs... Updates Panda, Penguin, etc .. Sandbox? Pénalité pour une raison ou pour une autre...

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#10 02/01/2015 23:34:13

Jean le Chauve
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Re : [OVH] Délai de chargement des pages

Bonsoir,
Merci de donner vos références à ce sujet.
En voici une bien documentée et les liens vers les discussions Google : http://www.webmarketing-com.com/2014/08 … impact-seo
qui nous explique l'importance d'avoir un temps de chargement rapide.
Et celui-ci : http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot. … nking.html
Mais je suis d'accord avec vous qu'un retard d'affichage de 4sec. ne justifie pas le fait de perdre tout d'un coup un positionnement déjà établi (au contraire de la fréquentation et du taux de rebond).

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